For several years now I’ve been making woodturnings, carved bowls, trays and plates. Making items like these that will potentially see real use as tableware; subjected to food, water, oil, soap, etc, has put me on a search for quality finish options that are not only food safe but capable of handling heavy use and cleaning. The go to options are usually oils or oil/wax mixes of some kind, and while they can certainly work, they also have their downsides. Here in Japan urushi lacquer has a long history of use on tableware. Urushi is incredibly durable, but using urushi also presents some really serious challenges. Recently I’ve been using a new finish, often called “liquid glass” (液体ガラス) here in Japan, and so far the results have been really promising and exciting. So I thought I’d share what I can about this finish. But first a quick look at the alternatives.
Urushi
One finish that I’ve been interested in for many years is urushi lacquer. Urushi is a natural finish sourced from the sap of urushi trees here in Japan (and elsewhere in Asia) and has a really long history of use. It’s also really quite durable against water, heat and even acid, alkali, and alcohol. Drying takes time, but that also means that there is little rush when applying the finish, and a variety of cool techniques can be used exploiting it’s long open time. Two techniques which I’ve been interested in for a while are the crackled egg shell finishes (ran-gaku-maki-e 卵殻蒔絵) and sabi-urushi (錆漆). These techniques are good examples of the kind of range you can achieve with urushi. The egg shell technique involves carefully cracking and embedding piece of quail eggshell into the lacquer to create really detailed and intricate patterns. Sabi-urushi is made by mixing urushi with very fine powdered earth, creating a texture that can be reminiscent of pottery. The egg shell technique is incredibly refined while sabi-urushi has a much more rustic feel.
The surface treatment possibilities that urushi offers are truly immense and the craft and techniques run deep.
But as many of you may already know, the BIG downside to urushi is for those of us who suffer from allergies to urushiol resin that is naturally present in the uncured lacquer. Urushiol is the same resin found in poison ivy, poison sumac, and poison oak. I happen to be highly allergic, and despite taking serious precautions such as long sleeves, nitrile gloves (sometimes using a long pair of kitchen gloves on top of those!), and working out of a container where I stored and applied the finish in an attempt to contain both the raw ingredients and the workspace itself, I still ended up with major whole body rashes.
So I’ve thrown in the towel when it comes to working with urushi, which has led me back to a quest for a quality and durable finish for tablewares.
Oils/Oil and Wax Mixes
The classic and simplest options for wooden tablewares are oils and oil and wax mixes. I used to use a mix of beeswax and mineral oil which was super simple and easy to apply. More recently I’ve been using raw linseed oil and beeswax. Oils and oil/wax mixes require periodic maintenance, and some folks are not so keen on that. Linseed and tung oil also have a bit of a smell which can be a turn off for some people. Oil finishes only add a modest level of protection, and require a bit of TLC to maintain the finish if you want to preserve the woods surface.
So oils, being easy to apply and relatively safe compared to urushi are okay, but they are also kind of lacking when it comes to durability and they require periodic maintenance.
Liquid Glass Finish
Meanwhile, over the past few years I’ve repeatedly seen other furniture makers here in Japan using a finish called “liquid glass.” My wife and I met one guy using a liquid glass finish on sugi (Japanese cedar) plates that he was making. He told us that the surface left by the finish was really durable and strong, producing a coating that would give an urushi-like level of protection. And on top of that, the finish is nearly unnoticeable. Handling those sugi plates I was incredulous, thinking the guy was just selling us some hype. The plates looked and felt like they had no finish at all, yet he was telling us that they were extremely well protected.
Fast forward to a few months later and I caught wind of the liquid glass finish again, but this time through a fellow woodworker in the states. That encounter eventually led me to Jarrod Dahl’s website where he has a blog post about this finish, and has even imported and been selling it in small quantities in the US. Jarrod’s site was the first time I ever found any real information on liquid glass in English. Reading his description of the finish and it’s potential really piqued my interest.
Turns out the guy with the sugi plates wasn’t making stuff up. This finish really is supposed to be extremely durable and tough, and has also been thoroughly tested to meet safety standards as a food safe finish here in Japan. The super simplified description of this finish is that silicon molecules in an alcohol solvent soak into the wood, the alcohol evaporates, and over the course of a few weeks the silicon bonds to the wood’s fibers, forming a glass-like coating. I’m no chemist and really don’t understand the science, but I’m sure there must be more going on chemically to cause the silicon to bond to the wood and form a hard coating. But from the research I’ve done thus far, that seems to be the gist of it. (I’d love to see a Bob Flexner level article on this finish.)
I eventually bought a jug of this liquid glass from the Japanese manufacturer Tatara, and have been using it on plates and bowls for the past few months. I coated a couple of pieces to use and live with as well, and I’m doing my best to use these pieces like I would normal ceramic tableware, meaning washing them with regular dish detergent and a sponge, and towel drying them after each use. So far the results seem really promising.
It seems that “liquid glass” finishes for wood have been in use in Japan for the past 15 years or so. And initially I think they were developed for use on wooden buildings to protect wood from rot, staining, and to even increases its fire resistance. (Check out this youtube video to see some fire resistance demonstrations). So compared to urushi and oils, liquid glass finishes are still relatively new, and time will tell how they fair long term. Nonetheless this type of finish seems like it has a ton of potential.
Actual Use/Performance
As for applying the finish, it’s super easy. You just brush it on fully saturating the wood, wait 15 min and brush on a second coat again saturating the wood as much as possible. I’ve found softwoods really soak up the finish, far more than hardwoods. The next day a third coat can be applied if desired, but I found 2 coats that really saturate the wood seem like enough. Since the alcohol/silicon soak into the wood there is no surface film to be damaged, so you can safely handle pieces soon after the solution fully soaks in without risk of messing up the surface. After 3 weeks the finish should be fully hardened and ready for use.
I’ve been testing out a few pieces here at home, including a small cherry bowl that I’ve been using and washing on a daily basis now for the past month and a half. Putting water in the bowl the first time was interesting. The water really beads up on the surface, with no indication of soaking into the grain whatsoever. That effect diminished as I’ve used and washed the bowl. Now water does more noticeably penetrate the surface of the wood, but even so, after continuing to use the bowl on a daily basis, washing with soap and water, and drying, there seems to be no real change to the woods color, no grain raising, and no splits or cracks from repeated soaking/drying. So far so good. Other pieces that I’ve been testing, have maintained that initial hydrophobic surface where water just beads up and flows off, so it may be that my cherry bowl was just not coated heavily enough. I also may have rushed things and didn’t wait the full 3 weeks for curing…. I was too anxious to try things out!
I think this is also a great finish for softwoods, which can be particularly challenging to finish. As someone who uses hand planes, and other cutting tools, the finish left by a sharp blade on softwood is particularly glossy and pleasing. But oiling or applying other finishes to a softwood often end up completely changing the finished look. Liquid glass is the first finish I’ve ever used that looks really good on softwood, because it has a minimal effect on the finished surface, and leaves a very natural look to the grain without changing the sheen of the wood left by a tool.
To quickly recap, here are some of the pros/cons of this finish.
Pros | Cons |
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Super easy to use and apply | Expensive – 1 L was around $150 |
Minimal to no maintanence required | Availability incredibly limited outside Japan |
Minimal change to the woods/color sheen, great on handplaned and carved surfaces | No surface treatment options available like urushi, and no sheen variations (gloss, satin, etc.), the surface left on the wood by tools or sandpaper is what you get |
Once cured safe for use on tablewares | Still a relatively new finish and not time-tested like urushi |
In use, seems to provide a really high level of moisture resistance compared to oil and oil/wax mixtures | |
No smell after solvent evaporates |
So that’s my long story about my quest for a quality finish for wooden tableware, and my initial tests with Tatara/Liquid Glass. I think this seems like a great finish, with a lot of potential. It would be great to bring liquid glass to the rest of the world, and I hope that happens someday. I know there are some similar sounding products being used in Europe (liquid glass nano-coatings, etc.) but I honestly don’t know how those may be similar or different to what’s available here in Japan. If any readers have any insight or thoughts please feel free to comment or reach out through email.
Thanks for reading,
Jon
Extremely interesting. Thank you for covering this – and supplying a USA source.
My pleasure, thanks for visiting.
Thanks for this, Jon. I purchased a tester from Hassui, but haven’t used it yet. I’m looking forward to trying it out. I have a small concern that the wood will look duller than with an oil finish.
Thanks Peter. I think it really depends on the look you’re going for, the type of wood and whether you’re final surface is straight off the blade or sanded. Regardless I do think this finish is about as minimal a finish as I’ve ever seen, and I think many people may not even realize the wood has been treated. In that way some people may feel like the look is somewhat dull compared to other finishes. I’ve found sanded surfaces to look slightly less rich, and a touch dull, but I think it depends on how finely you sand. I usually go up to 320 and at that level I’ve found the finished result to look quite nice. But nothing looks quite as rich as a surface that’s been planed or carved in my opinion.
You may already be aware of this but I’ll share it anyway for others. One thing I didn’t mention in the post was that the finished was developed with Tokunaga-san, a chair maker here in Japan who uses hand planes to shape/finish plane the surface of his chairs. He worked with Tatara to create a finish that would protect the wood, but be super minimal in appearance so that the look and texture left by a hand plane wouldn’t be disrupted.
Nice! Thanks for your thoughts, Jon. I’m looking forward to experimenting.
Thank you for the introduction to this concept. There are some woods where I’ve wanted a finish with a raw wood look, notably Honduras Rosewood I squirreled away years ago.
An application of Renaissance Wax is as close as I’ve come but the appearance is a bit on the waxy side.
This sounds like something I’d benefit from. I’ll have to reread for a purchase source here in the US.
Thanks Mike, I think you’ll be pleased with liquid glass if you get your hands on some. Currently the only source that I know of is Jarrod Dahl, who I linked to in the post above. I hope that changes though, I think there are a lot of people who would love this finish if it became more available.
Thanks. I did order a quart from him as this is a solution I’ve often wanted but never had.
That’s great! Looking forward to hearing how you like using it.
2 Questions Jon:
– Any idea whether this product cures well into oily woods?
– Do we know how well it does/doesn’t enable woods to resist color degradation due to oxidation & UV exposure?
Thanks from Salt Lake City, UT USA
Hey Mike, sorry but I can’t accurately answer your questions. I’ll see what I can find out though.
Ok, maybe a little off the wall but I’m wondering if the “glass” finish is anything like RainX, which is a silica based treatment for windshield glass in the USA. When I worked in a biology lab, we used something similar to siliconize glassware to keep organic compounds from sticking. Water beads up on it because it is non-polar The silica compounds were things like polysilanes dissolved in alcohols. It sounds very similar. If that is true, I wonder if RainX would work on wood?
Hey Gary, when I first started searching for “liquid glass” online RainX was one of the things that kept popping up. And to be honest I’m not sure where there is or isn’t overlap between the two product. Another possible connection is “water glass,” aka sodium silicate, which has a fairly long history of use in everything from sealing concrete, to preserving eggs, and I believe as a wood preservative too. I wouldn’t be surprised if there is a strong connection between all these products, but that’s where we need an expert on the chemistry to help explain the similarities/differences.
Does RainX cure or harden into a coating? It would be interesting to do some tests with it on wood.
What an interesting thought, Gary. I’ll see about getting some, and doing a comparison on some samples. (But don’t hold your breath – I’m not fast!)
Hi Jon
Thanks for including the link to my site. Yep, we are the only US supplier of Hassui Ceramic. It’s an amazing finish. I use it exclusively along with urushi for my wooden table ware. I really dig your work!
Hi Gary,
Wood chemist here. Yes, this product uses the same component as RainX – siloxane. The reaction it beads water is due to it’s low surface energy – not quite a factor of polarity, but more so of intermolecular interactions. Surfaces with similar levels of intermolecular interactions as that of the liquid being applied cause larger surface area (liquid “likes” the surface so it spreads) while a large difference in surface energies causes “beading”.
Water glass is sodium metasilicate, which is water soluble. Siloxane is not unless emulsified.
Huge misnomer calling this water glass. It’s not water based or true glass.
This product isn’t really safe for cookware or surfaces you eat off of either. The chemistry is a little more complicated and less inert than glass. Siloxanes typically have organic compounds bound to them.
Let me know if you have any questions
Hi Kevin,
I went back and reviewed the manufacturer’s website searching for the msds and found it here: https://tatara-hanbai.com/lineup/pdf/product-safety-datasheet.pdf
It’s in Japanese but I translated the section describing the ingredients for the product discussed here and they are as follows:
isoparaffinic hydrocarbon
Isopropyl alcohol
dibutyltin diacetate
-Jon
Since you’re a wood chemist, I was wondering if you had thoughts on using the Hassui over wood that’s been oiled with a pigmented oil product? Do you think it would still work or if the oil would prevent it from working?
Hey Jon, great article as I’m also curious about this finish
I also found Kevin’s comment above quite interesting as he appears to have detailed knowledge about siloxane chemistry and purity.
I went down the rabbit hole a bit to try and understand the chemistry of all this better (I am a PhD biologist) and did find that if you look up the English msds from Jarrods website (woodspirit handcraft) , on the second line, it says Product Type: Polysiloxane Type paint, so it appears that Kevin is correct.
Now as to whether this is food safe or not depends critically on the manufacturing of the compound (I believe siloxane only describes a chemical functional group and does not explain the entire chemical compound structure, so I’m not sure exactly what the full chemical structure is… Perhaps it is the isoparafinnic hydrocarbon chains that have been modified to have the siloxane groups added on to them… Allowing them to crosslink extensively to each other and the wood as part of their “curing process”. I’m just guessing here … The isopropyl alcohol is the solvent bc these are not water soluble compounds it seems). So depending on how clean all the chemical manufacturing is, and which parafinnic hydrocarbons are being used, it could very well be food safe, or possibly not. It seems almost impossible to tell from the information we have. I bet Kevin could give us more much info.
It is interesting that it “passed Japan’s food safety standard” which I suppose should count for something! I would love know how they determined that as well.
Hope my comments are taken as helpful rather than critical!
Paul
Paul@copperpigwoodworking.com
It’s food safe and inert once fully hardened. What is is there to discuss? The manufacturer isn’t going to tell you exactly the recipe because as it’s proprietary. In Japan the use the ceramic coating, urethanes and urushi lacquer on wooden tableware which is a pretty large industry. Hence the food safe testing. I like it because its tasteless and scentless and durable. Outside of urushi lacquer (which I also use) it my go to finish. When I first got some I put about 1/2 in a small clear plastic cup. After 20 some days it was solid. I was looking for an alternative to hardening oils like linseed, walnut, tung as the smell, taste.
Hi Jarrod,
I am currently got a bottle of Hassui in the UK, so far I am satisfied with the result when I applied three coats on my wooden cup. It is kind of like magic, even fill the small split on my cup, However I am noticing that other woodturner in the uk, he marks their Hassui finished cup as “cold liquid only”, I try to find some relevant information about if this heat resistant, sadly got nothing so far, hope I could have advice from you, thanks!
Very nice write up. I’ve been using it for about 5 years and also done a little with urushiol. Its very easy to get the same look or gloss as urushi just add a couple more coats but I’m sure you have found that out now. Also if you want to really seal an object from water whether it’s a spoon or bowl the developers of this in Japan said to put the spoon or cup in a ziplock bag with the Hassui Ceramic and leave it for a couple days before you take it out to dry. Cheers!
Thanks for the comment, that’s really interesting. What has your experience been like with maintenance over time? How have you found the finish to fair over time?
I’ve not had any problems with it holding up over time and it’s been zero maintenance. It does loose it’s gloss look after a while, but other than that if you soak it good it should last decades if not longer.
That’s great to hear, thanks for sharing.
I’m curious about using on a wood tea or coffee cup and how well it holds up. This is interesting and will give the zip lock a try
Hi, have you used it over any oil based products? If so, how did it turn out?
Hi Georgia,
The manufacturer’s instructions state that it should only be used on previously unfinished wood, so I’m not sure how it would turn out applying it to something already coated with oil. Probably best to test it out and see how it works, and see how well the liquid glass will penetrate through the existing finish.
-Jon